Lootbane

Fun game.

Just sad that I can't really do anything with the 70mio I got from getting a run past floor 16.

Some other points.

- A small pop up or text when u or an enemy dodges would be nice.

- There is no point in getting any companions that cost less than 4k (except 1 for healing on kill) because you can endlessly reroll and have no time/attempt limit.

-The attack charge bar on enemies seems inconsistent somehow (sometime the same enemy attacks quicker/slower), are the stats on enemies with the same model randomized?

-not being able to run the graveyard after lvl 7 seems dissapointing, maybe just put a large difficulty jump on some floor, so you can still come back to it afterwards.

-can't comment on anything death related cause it somehow has still eluded me.

It's a funny game.

Very easy to earn 100000+ coins when I'm able to clear 7* up.

The cost to reroll equipments in shop is fixed 50, which is too cheap that I can keep reroll until full set of epic. 

I dont know how to change member when my followers reach maximum...

maxing dexterity until 0.1 attack speed is very satisfying, but probably scales a little too quickly. Maybe some non-linear Attack Speed from Dexterity would make sense

Well... My hero is level 7, the graveyard says the max level is 7 and it blocks me from entering saying one of my heroes is above the level cap.

That needs better clarity.

Thanks for such a solid demo!

I liked the gameplay loop, and somehow managed to get very overpowered early.

A few recommendations:

• Show Damage taken numbers (with indication how much has been reduced by defence)
• Show when you dodge
• More weapon veriety with different passive bonuses (Axes cleave another target, daggers have higher crit damage coefficient etc)

I would love for there to be lots of hidden things to look for on the map and in dungeons which could uncover secrets, lore or easter eggs!

As for the ghost on the map, is the 'OoooOooo' an Ultima Online reference? :D

I've been testing the game for several hours, doing 3 runs from scratch, and this is my feedback.

1) The game becomes impossible after dungeon number 12 or 14 depending on your gear, but basically, equipment and stats doesn't improve from purple, so the stats are very limited and the difficulty keeps increasing.

The only thing I feel I have left to do is level up until I can overscale the creatures, which isn't motivating.

2) There's a bug where if your stash is full, the last slot isn't used, but if you move an item there, it's destroyed.

I'm going to assume that people who were able to complete the game at level 11 did so on an earlier version, because even with a level 30 party, full purple gear, with 9 companions I can't get past level 14 (and that's even though I tried to avoid fights as much as possible).

Despite everything, the game has a lot of potential, it just needs some fine-tuning.

I "completed" the game and had some fun! I think for the demo progression felt a bit quick as I had pretty much the best equipment and only the most expensive companions before I had 10 dungeon completions. Would love to see this expanded a lot and to really encourage more choices when dungeon crawling since there's often relatively safe paths through lower levels that don't offer much difficult choice.

Noticed a tiny bug. If you're in the options menu, you can still click on help. doing so causes the help sequence to play behind the options menu (which is unresponsive until you finish going through the help sequence)

Fun little update, i like the idea of having allies instead of a party better. But i wish there was a way to dismiss allies, being stuck with them forever feels pretty restrictive. Haven't had a a chance to die yet :P , but im sure the changes were helpful. 

The update post mentioned "finishing the build", is there a supposed max floor for either dungeon? I went till floor 8 but by then i was getting one/two shot by even normal foes so any deeper looks pretty dire 0.0 

How goes devving?

Can't escape from a boss fight when you realize you can't win.  Party getting wiped is horribly unforgiving.  No saves, basically it's a hardcore game when you're fighting bosses.  The amount of grind is ridiculous.  It's pretty fun, but you have to play cautiously if you want to avoid losing hours of progress.

Just so you know, if you click "View All by Dweomer" the game is still called Kleroo in the cover art. Its also still called Kleroo, when you hit the Play button, though I'm sure that will get addressed with the next build. 

Noticed today the name change. 

Some further feedback:

1) Graveyard level 6 is too hard. I've lost 2 well geared squads to it, and only completed it once... and barely survived. You really do need a level 7+ party to do it, but you can't do graveyard at level 7+. 

2) Party perks are definitely not being applied. 

3) I'm not sure Dodge is being applied. Even with +20 stat, and I think dexterity is used for it, and its at 31, the character still regularly gets hit, and not actually seen them avoid damage entirely. 

4) I think defense isn't reducing damage completely, as I have one character that has like 40 defense, and regularly takes 1 damage hits. 

5) If you have too many loot items, you cannot select the middle two characters, to see if they need any upgrades. Usually a result of doing Gobbling keep at depth 5 or depth 6. 

6) Too many rings at Emberforge generate with low rolls, despite appearing to be rare or epic quality. Cost a fortune, but why would I spend it on their low rolls?

7) Noticed with the Emberforge, that each item is generated at a specific tier, with the worst items generated at far left, moderate items generated in middle, and best items generated at far right. Thus at late game, you have to reroll constantly to get epics in far right slot, to have any upgrades. 

Playing some more, trying out new stuff, noticed these:

Bugs?

1) Hovering over Steam Icon says "Game Options"

2) Clicking either increase or decrease music volume, changes the music track. 

3) The trait "I have +40% strength (min +5) but -15% defense" doesn't work. My character's strength is 5, so unless they rolled 0 strength, this isn't working. 

4) Not sure team buffs are being re-applied as they level up and gain more stats. 

Feedback (as promised):

-> Completed the current content, submitted my name, with a severely overgeared level 11 party. By severely overgeared, I mean that I was killing the ogre boss in less than 2 seconds on floor depth 3. 

-> I found it very difficult to find epic quality gear for rings and chest armor. 

-> There doesn't seem to be much value in going deeper than floor depth 5. The amount of scaled difficulty is so high that, you risk losing your team, by trying out depth 6. 

-> Found it weird that the ogre epic sword was only 5-10 damage, as by that point all my weapons were 10-20 damage. 

-> I tended to avoid Potion, Loot, and Trap rooms. They just didn't seem to be worthwhile to visit, even when I was on depth 5 for loot rooms, or even when I was out of Potions. You only get one potion per room, and by the time I need potions, sometimes I'm using 2-3 potions a combat encounter.

-> Really could use a sell all items button. Often I was doing fast runs, to get the campfire progress, and so I'd load up with loot each time, and then have to manually sell each item. 

-> Ogre boss felt easier to fight than the Skeleton boss. Could simply be because I was overgeared though.

-> Earning levels got pretty hard, unless I was regularly visiting floor depth 4+. 

-> Possible cognitive bias: My two lowest hp heroes, always seemed to get targeted by enemies, while my two tankier heroes, barely ever took any damage. 

Bug?

The Emberforge doesn't stock better items, once you get to the Goblin Keep. Thus, you have to reroll it constantly, until you get an epic available to buy. 

Bug?

Graveyard prevents you from entering at level 7. But the goblin keep suggests you have level 8+ heroes. Hope my level 7 party survives the goblin keep. 

Bug?

Loot Room (3 barrels) the loot doesn't scale with your floor. The gold I got from it on floor 1 and on floor 5 was the same... roughly 5 gold. 

Pretty fun! I played it for a little bit. It would be cool if it saved state across browser plays. So if you close it and come back you could pick up where you left off. 

I did notice one small bug where if  you selected one character in town with say half health. Then in town you heal all characters fully. The detailed view of that characters health would not update, they still appeared at half health. But they were full health in bottom of screen. Clicking on a different character and then back updates the display. 

Some remaining thoughts:

1) If the amount of loot to be grabbed exceeds your backpack space, maybe convert any items left behind into 1/4th their sell value, so you at least get something for your trouble. So if it normally would sell for 12 gold, the conversion turns it into 3 gold. 

2) Deeper floor level should dramatically increase loot drop quality, to encourage more risk v reward dungeon delves. 

3) The boss fight should be the same difficulty regardless of dungeon depth and should only be available once per run. Otherwise, its way too easy to farm them on floor level 1, with a level 5 group, and then get a ton of easily acquired powerful items. 

4) For rerolling the passive, perhaps change the cost based on average character level. So if your 4 heroes are an average of level 3, maybe reduce the cost by 25%. Thus at level 4+ average, it costs 1000 gold, but it costs 250 gold less, per average level below 4 (so 250 at level 1), but also increase it per level above 4. So average level of 6, would cost 1500 gold. 

5) Make it so that the rerolled passive is stronger than what you could find normally at character creation. Thus you might want to attempt to reroll it more frequently. Perhaps the passive is 10% stronger per level above level 1? So if you rerolled it for a level 7 hero, the passive would be 70% stronger than normal. 

Otherwise, shall wait for next release.

Well, poop. Closed the game to do something else, came back and lost all progress. Had a level 6 group that was fairly well geared too. Oh well. 

Will check back on the game later I guess. 

So some issues I've discovered:

1) Clicking Sell All damaged items, includes the ones you are currently wearing. Was wondering why my damaged shield and damaged swords kept disappearing. 

2) In the help screen for the dungeon, it never explains what the lightning bolt does. It seems that on the first floor, it gives loot, and second+, it deals massive damage. 

3) The cost of rare items at the blacksmith is so high that I'll probably never be able to afford them... and then when I do have the gold, it will have different items. If only I could "save" an item so that once I have the gold, I could buy it. 

4) The game doesn't explain if the heroes can cast spells or they are all melee types, and thus what kind of stats to try to get for them. 

5) Why does a damaged helm grant 0 defense, but a damaged leather or damaged shield grants 1 defense?

6) Some of the text is hard to read, with the font chosen. In particular, when it says to only attempt the boss, I had to get really close to my 1920x1080p 36 inch screen to see that it was saying level 3... the font from afar looked like 8, but that didn't make sense as the graveyard only lets in up to level 7. 

7) The difference in foes for a single sword or double sword is not that significant. I think I get 2 more foes with a double sword. I'd suggest at least double the foes.

8) It might be nice to manually use a healing potion. That way if I hit a trap room, I wouldn't Total Party Kill (TPK) my entire team, if they were at low health. 

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Otherwise I'm liking it. 

This game is crack and I am addicted ! 

Well I started playing this game and here is my thoughts on it:

1. My first impression of the game?

R: When I first started playing Kleroo, I was mentally preparing for a normal rogue adventure (yes, I didn’t read which games you took inspiration from until after I played the game for two hours straight because it had me in a chokehold that I only managed to escape because of hunger). I was surprised to find out it had permadeath, which automatically makes me curse since it’s one of my least favorite mechanics in gaming. But even with that, it didn’t stop me from playing the game for a good while, and it was really, really fun to me. It made me think more strategically than most games I’ve played that is, until I made my team too OP by grinding on the first floor of a dungeon until level 6, with everyone having rare to epic equipment.

2. Gameplay Clarity?

R: The gameplay clarity was somewhat straightforward because I understood most of the logic to follow, but that’s more due to having played so many RPGs. Even then, I just needed to reread the instructions which were easy to find and rely on some trial and error. By the second time, it was enough.

Not specifically about gameplay clarity, but something I wanted to bring up: the weapons even the ones in the player’s possession have a tag showing how much money they’re worth. But I, for the life of me, couldn’t find a place to sell the items I gathered in the dungeons. Not sure if it was just me not finding it or if it didn’t exist. Either way, I’d like clarification on that.

3. Emotional Feedback?

R: Even before reading which games you took inspiration from, I could already notice some of the influences especially Darkest Dungeon, with the party system (RIP my first party, my underplanning got them bodied in the first level of the goblin dungeon). You nailed the addictive feel by balancing the challenge of exploring the dungeon with multiple safe rooms and healing rooms. (Though they did make me a bit anxious, since I thought they might lead to a boss battle, like Moonlighter’s healing pools before a boss fight.)

I really enjoyed that the dungeons can be explored without going in blind by that, I mean the symbols indicating what I’ll find in the next room. Though I can imagine some players would prefer a hardcore setting where that’s turned off. Just a thought it’s something I’d at least try once.

The auto-battle sometimes made me anxious because it didn’t always let my party follow the best tactic for example, helping a struggling ally against a monster. I kinda got over it by stacking them with good gear, but I was also curious about the possibility of a system where you earn points to increase a party member that’s tied to the player, not the party. That way, if they die, the unspent points wouldn’t be lost (while spent ones still go down with them).

Something else to mention was the forge. Since it worked with RNG, it wasn’t as useful as I hoped. But granted, I was speed-blitzing through the levels of the goblin dungeon and ended up with good or better-quality equipment mostly thanks to luck. I imagine in future runs, the forge will play a bigger role.

Progression at first felt a bit slow in my first run, honestly, and the gold gained early on felt kinda small. But that’s more a result of the risk/reward system you implemented, my lack of familiarity with the game (humbled by my first run), and my own planning. On the second run, it was far quicker, so from my perspective, it’s actually pretty well balanced.

All in all, it was a nice experience. As someone also working on a rogue game though without permadeath it was a nice learning experience. To be honest, it even made me consider trying other games with permadeath to see if I’ve been missing out. When it’s fully released, I hope it gets many downloads so I can see what comes next. If there’s any updates  you can count, on me to give it a spin!

Finaly done eh?  👏 I always liked your games good job on this one

I like the game but I've got some feedback to give:

- there should be a way to see all the stats (dodge, crit chance, crit damage)

- it isn't clear which stat does what, especially does dexterity increase dodge? But with the first point it should be clarified anyway.

- I can't complete the game because I have 8 level 11 characters and there is no way to send them to battle (max level reached even for goblins) . Of course I could sell them but... :-/

- even with a level 11 character, I get 2 shot if the goblins manage to hit me. And my setup is 3 chars giving 30% armor + 10% dodge to all the team + 1 extra (30% crit chance in the 1st team, 15% damage to all team in the 2nd). It makes it hard to understand the  reason for level capping and it also feels "wrong", it's not linear progress

- it would be great to have more epic loot (edit: more distinct loot, not more occurences) and maybe an infinite mode too

- as Forgotten said, being able to click on the exit options would feel more natural

Still, it's much fun, thanks for this game!

Very nice 👍

No save game?

Hey there Dweomer, wanted to give you some quick feedback for the new version of the game(congrats btw!).

I can already see how much work youve put into this new build. The visuals are a huge step up from the prototype. I think there is alot of potential here, I really like the idle RPG loop of recruiting heroes and sending them into dungeons for loot.

My biggest piece of feedback right now is that I feel a bit disconnected from the party members and the action. In the previous version of the game, I loved seeing the hero running around and visually engaging in combat. The new version feels like its lacking with feedback of what your party is doing, I dont really get a sense of when a party member is about to attack or use an ability. It think a visual element could help alot here, like a small progress bar or a quick animation, that showed them charging up their attacks. It would really help me feel more engaged with whats happening on the screen.

Also small nitpick here, but it would  be nice to if we could still click on the exit we want to take, instead of needing to use the buttons, or arrow keys. 

All in all, great work on the update! Im excited to see where you take the game from here. Good luck deving.

absolute trash. my starting squad died on the first battle, which deleted them and essentially bricked the game because i now had not enough gold to hire new ones.